No, not at all, in America anyway. The most conservative states in the US are resoundingly the fattest, poorest AND dumbest and any study you can find confirms this.
I'd have to read the study because my eyebrow is a bit raised on the first one. The study states that conservatives may eat more fatty food but Liberals excessively consume alcohol which can be even worse for calories, and the study abstract doesn't reference obesity like the psychologytoday study suggests but I assume it gets to that in the actual study?
Maybe you've read it already and can help me out but are most red states above the obesity line or is it just that the few that are among the most obese happen to be a minority of Red States but primarily Red states?
The education part. I think we both know that not being educated does not mean you're not intelligent. A lot of people pick up trades and we don't know which forms of education are being measured here but I think conflating being "uneducated" with being "dumb" is a mistake.
Poorest states one I'm just skipping, not for any bad reasons but it's morning for me here. Lol. I'll assume what you said here is true.
I do have a question though and it may come across as bad faith but I am genuinely curious. You say these factors demonstrate Right wingers to generally be the fattest, poorest, and dumbest but in some articles you sent it's referenced that black people tend be at an even higher percentage of those very things. Using your own studies here would I be free to portray black people as the fattest, poorest AND dumbest?
"After controlling for poverty rate, percent African American and Latino populations, educational attainment, and spatial autocorrelation in the error term, we found that higher county-level obesity prevalence rates were associated with higher levels of support for the 2012 Republican Party presidential candidate."
"Obesity rates vary considerably between states and regions of the country. Mississippi has the highest adult obesity rate in the country at 40.8 percent and Colorado has the lowest at 23.8 percent. Twelve states have adult rates above 35 percent, they are: Alabama, Arkansas, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and West Virginia."
You're right that education doesn't automatically mean more intelligent but it certainly isn't meaningless either. And you've got to ask why the proportions of educated people are so off, and what the effects are in areas that lack educated professionals.
Conservatives tend to be more prone to believing conspiracy, being anti-science, reject facts/reality and are very vulnerable to misinformation. Studies had been done that showed a pattern of thinking from a place of fear in conservatives, which you can see, especially in conservative news sources, it's mostly a constant barrage of fear mongering, boogeyman, and self-victimization. Conservatives fear/dislike change so they fight it, even if it might benefit them.
As to your last question, I'd be perfectly willing to discuss it but I think it would warrant its own thread. It's not exactly a similar thing, since being conservative is a choice but being black isn't, and there's a whole host of issues that come with being black that you just don't have with being conservative.
Soz if I come across short here or there's a few mistakes, I'm just up so I'm essentially sleep-walking. Lol.
But then there's ones like this, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/politics-and-the-life-sciences/article/abs/effects-of-physical-attractiveness-on-political-beliefs/D5214D0CAE37EE5947B7BF29762547EE#access-block
But I think we'd have to pay to see either of them properly. Lol.
If you do have access to the studies you're citing could you help me out a bit and give me a list of Blue states that's obesity rates grew past the 25% mark and which ones sit around 30% upwards from the previous results in 2000? I'm interested to find out why they specifically used the 35% marker to list the Red States.
Life expectancy list shows that there's barely much change at all either way so I'm not bothered on that one. The changes shown there are going to vary as such every time such a topic is recorded, there's no drastic meaningful change.
I'd have to see more relevant studies on that topic to be fair. Like, if we're going to compare someone that went off to learn a trade as an apprentice and compare them to someone in something like gender studies, philosophy, psychology, or areas that people typically don't actually go into after the learning stages then I wouldn't feel it correct to claim that person is more intelligent just because they happened to be in education.
I don't know about the conspiracy and anti-science part, it might be true but we're living in a time where certain people get to decide what is scientifically accurate instead of following it. For example, who decides what is a conspiracy? I bet the same areas you got those conclusions from would never consider the whole "Female oppression" view to be a conspiracy theory, right? Things like that, I'm sure the sources you're got that information on are very charitable towards determining what right wingers would consider conspiracy theories.
As for conservatives primarily being motivated by fear, this isn't 100% proven to be the case,
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2020/02/12/conservatives-might-not-have-a-more-potent-fear-response-than-liberals-after-all/
I'd also have to disagree with the representation of fear-mongering being a right wing thing exclusively. Ever since Trump left wing media, to which there is far more, have consistently been fear mongering, giving boogeymen, trying to convince people that Republicans are trying to kill them and that white people are after the good ol' black folk. For Christ sake, the riots haven't stopped for over a year due to it. So I absolutely have to disagree with how you portrayed Republican news as holding the crown for that list, I think we both know they may both do this but the Left-Wing Media has taken it to the extreme. For example, right now they're vilifying a cop for shooting a black girl that was mid-swing with a knife about to kill another girl, that's how bad the fear mongering and self-victimization is on the left right now that they will fear monger over a cop saving a life.
How would it not necessarily be a similar thing if what you've asserted between Red and Blue states are also the key differences between black people and white people, like schooling, income, etc?
I also wouldn't say that politics is a "choice", kind of like believing in God isn't a choice, if that makes sense? As in you can't just decide what you believe to be just is actually wrong without any outside factor forcing you to in some way.
So let's say that Black people are lagging behind in all the same ways Republicans are, how can you justify saying that Republicans are just big stinky dumb dumbs but black people that are even worse by the same measurements you determine Republicans to be big stinky dumb dumbs by aren't infact even bigger stinky dumb dumbs because of other factors? It wouldn't change that they're bigger stinky dumb dumbs than the average Republican only you'd of tried to find a way to justify it, not discredit it?
You can download the full study from the "State of Obesity 2020" link, it has maps, graphs, etc. The 12 states over 35% are literally just the most obese states in the US. They happen to be red states as well, with the exception of Michigan. The next level down, 30-35%, is mostly red states. The bluer the state, the less obese it tends to be.
It's a problem when "red states" are at such disadvantages, don't you think? Health, life expectancy, educational opportunities, jobs are lagging in these areas. I mean, these are plain facts and brushing aside facts or minimizing them doesn't help.
Regarding conspiracy theories, I can't really think of any left-wing ones that have actually caused major problems, however I can think of several right-wing ones right off the top 0f my head that have. QAnon, the "stolen" 2020 election, the Covid vaccine has a microchip (or will kill you in 6 months, etc),the "birther" movement, Sandy Hook "crisis actors", that's just what I can think of in a few seconds, there's no doubt more. I can't think of any left-wing ones that compare in scale or damage done. Not saying there isn't any, just saying I can't think of any.
To be honest with you, I hate most media. They're all pretty bad with manipulation, I agree. That said, I do see a big difference in how the outlets peddle stories. With your example of the current story of the cop killing the black girl, to me thats not at all fear mongering, it's outrage porn. Their intent doesn't seem to be to cause fear, it seems to fan the flames of the current anti-police climate. A current example of fear mongering on the right is "the border crisis" narrative. An example of victim mentality could be Tucker Carlson claiming white people are under attack. With conservative news, I notice a constant "boogeyman" threat, whereas on the left, I see more "virtue triggering" (I may be making that term up, it's just what comes to mind so I hope you get what I mean).
Shit, yeah turns out part of it was clickeable. Doofus that I am.
It seems that although they may be less obese they are still growing in their obesity rates just as red states are. Question. I'm not 'Murican so I don't know by heart which states are blue and which ones are red. Are these findings based on the population percentages? Also, would you say that it's possible for a group to not only have more obese people but also have more people above average in physical attractiveness?
It might be but I don't know what the cause of it is so I couldn't tell you.
You don't think the BLM narrative consists of conspiracy theories that has resulted in over a years worth of protest and rioting? I'd argue that example alone would blow the list you gave out the water alongside any other examples I myself could give like the idea that western society oppresses women or that white people are inherently racist, etc. A lot of the examples you gave, atleast to me, don't appear within the key figures of the right but the ones I've mentioned are openly accepted by left wing influencers/leaders. I'd argue the left absolutely take the cake for conspiracy theories that are outside the realm of the internet and cause damage.
But they're fanning those flames by telling people there is something to fear aggressing on them. Do you not think it's possible that you're perhaps splitting hairs here (unintentionally)?
I suppose I would have to ask in regards to the two examples you gave here is at what point can a news outlet believe something important needs to be talked about even if it causes fear without it being considered fear mongering? I think there's justified reason to view "The border crisis" with fear of what it may cause if not solved and I definitely believe white people are under attack but could you honestly tell me that Tucker Carlson has parroted "Whites under attack" to the same extend left wing media has parroted the "Blacks under attack" fear mongering?
It's the rate of obese adults in the state, so a 35% obesity rate means 35% of the adult population of the state is obese.
I suppose one group could have both extremes of attractiveness. I live in red Kentucky and most of the people I see are more on the hideous side though.
So, a huge part of why red states are worse off in health, education, jobs, poverty, etc is precisely because of conservative policy. Conservative policy doesn't value putting money into education, social programs or Healthcare. Liberal policy is opposite, so you'll often see better education, health, social programs and opportunity in Liberal areas.
BLM and feminism aren't conspiracy theories by any stretch. Every example I listed does have links to "key figures of the right", one of whom is Donald Trump. Trump was at the forefront of the "stolen election" scam, along with several of his family members, some members of congress, former mayor Rudy Giuliani, and several other high profile individuals. Right-wing news outlets peddled the baseless conspiracy theory as well, and some have been served with billion dollar lawsuits from Dominion voting systems.
Donald Trump, Rush and several other right-wingers were big in spreading the "birther" conspiracy.
There are at least 2 QAnon-affiliated members of congress. They're Republicans.
Believing a conspiracy theory about the Covid vaccine having a microchip or whatever is a public health and economy issue. Republican leadership didn't exactly help here with the anti-science stance they decided to take. Also, Donald Trump got vaccinated in secret back in January instead of setting an example for his supporters.
Sandy Hook. Does the name Alex Jones ring a bell? Right-wing nut who harassed the families mercilessly, as did some others on the right. One of the 2 QAnon congresswoman has also been harassing shooting victims families.
No, I've seen that tactic used a lot in the lefty media, I'm confident it's not fear mongering. It's pretty clear to me that it's just to keep up the bad cop rage. I'll look at some CNN later and see if I can find a good fear mongering example.
I'm not sure what all evidence Tucker is using to prove whites are under attack, I've only seen or read minimal Tucker. I'm not sure exactly of everything BLM is saying either. I'd have to actually watch some interviews and stuff. I'll get back to you on that.
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No, not at all, in America anyway. The most conservative states in the US are resoundingly the fattest, poorest AND dumbest and any study you can find confirms this.
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I'd have to read the study because my eyebrow is a bit raised on the first one. The study states that conservatives may eat more fatty food but Liberals excessively consume alcohol which can be even worse for calories, and the study abstract doesn't reference obesity like the psychologytoday study suggests but I assume it gets to that in the actual study?
Maybe you've read it already and can help me out but are most red states above the obesity line or is it just that the few that are among the most obese happen to be a minority of Red States but primarily Red states?
The education part. I think we both know that not being educated does not mean you're not intelligent. A lot of people pick up trades and we don't know which forms of education are being measured here but I think conflating being "uneducated" with being "dumb" is a mistake.
Poorest states one I'm just skipping, not for any bad reasons but it's morning for me here. Lol. I'll assume what you said here is true.
I do have a question though and it may come across as bad faith but I am genuinely curious. You say these factors demonstrate Right wingers to generally be the fattest, poorest, and dumbest but in some articles you sent it's referenced that black people tend be at an even higher percentage of those very things. Using your own studies here would I be free to portray black people as the fattest, poorest AND dumbest?
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"After controlling for poverty rate, percent African American and Latino populations, educational attainment, and spatial autocorrelation in the error term, we found that higher county-level obesity prevalence rates were associated with higher levels of support for the 2012 Republican Party presidential candidate."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4692249/
"Obesity rates vary considerably between states and regions of the country. Mississippi has the highest adult obesity rate in the country at 40.8 percent and Colorado has the lowest at 23.8 percent. Twelve states have adult rates above 35 percent, they are: Alabama, Arkansas, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and West Virginia."
https://www.tfah.org/report-details/state-of-obesity-2020/
Those are all "red states" with the exception of Michigan which went blue in 2020 but was previously red. Colorado, the lowest, is a blue state.
Life expectancy lower in red states-
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_life_expectancy
70% of America's GDP comes from Biden- voting counties-
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/
Educational attainment by state-
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_educational_attainment
You're right that education doesn't automatically mean more intelligent but it certainly isn't meaningless either. And you've got to ask why the proportions of educated people are so off, and what the effects are in areas that lack educated professionals.
Conservatives tend to be more prone to believing conspiracy, being anti-science, reject facts/reality and are very vulnerable to misinformation. Studies had been done that showed a pattern of thinking from a place of fear in conservatives, which you can see, especially in conservative news sources, it's mostly a constant barrage of fear mongering, boogeyman, and self-victimization. Conservatives fear/dislike change so they fight it, even if it might benefit them.
As to your last question, I'd be perfectly willing to discuss it but I think it would warrant its own thread. It's not exactly a similar thing, since being conservative is a choice but being black isn't, and there's a whole host of issues that come with being black that you just don't have with being conservative.
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Soz if I come across short here or there's a few mistakes, I'm just up so I'm essentially sleep-walking. Lol.
But then there's ones like this, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/politics-and-the-life-sciences/article/abs/effects-of-physical-attractiveness-on-political-beliefs/D5214D0CAE37EE5947B7BF29762547EE#access-block
But I think we'd have to pay to see either of them properly. Lol.
If you do have access to the studies you're citing could you help me out a bit and give me a list of Blue states that's obesity rates grew past the 25% mark and which ones sit around 30% upwards from the previous results in 2000? I'm interested to find out why they specifically used the 35% marker to list the Red States.
Life expectancy list shows that there's barely much change at all either way so I'm not bothered on that one. The changes shown there are going to vary as such every time such a topic is recorded, there's no drastic meaningful change.
I'd have to see more relevant studies on that topic to be fair. Like, if we're going to compare someone that went off to learn a trade as an apprentice and compare them to someone in something like gender studies, philosophy, psychology, or areas that people typically don't actually go into after the learning stages then I wouldn't feel it correct to claim that person is more intelligent just because they happened to be in education.
I don't know about the conspiracy and anti-science part, it might be true but we're living in a time where certain people get to decide what is scientifically accurate instead of following it. For example, who decides what is a conspiracy? I bet the same areas you got those conclusions from would never consider the whole "Female oppression" view to be a conspiracy theory, right? Things like that, I'm sure the sources you're got that information on are very charitable towards determining what right wingers would consider conspiracy theories.
As for conservatives primarily being motivated by fear, this isn't 100% proven to be the case,
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2020/02/12/conservatives-might-not-have-a-more-potent-fear-response-than-liberals-after-all/
I'd also have to disagree with the representation of fear-mongering being a right wing thing exclusively. Ever since Trump left wing media, to which there is far more, have consistently been fear mongering, giving boogeymen, trying to convince people that Republicans are trying to kill them and that white people are after the good ol' black folk. For Christ sake, the riots haven't stopped for over a year due to it. So I absolutely have to disagree with how you portrayed Republican news as holding the crown for that list, I think we both know they may both do this but the Left-Wing Media has taken it to the extreme. For example, right now they're vilifying a cop for shooting a black girl that was mid-swing with a knife about to kill another girl, that's how bad the fear mongering and self-victimization is on the left right now that they will fear monger over a cop saving a life.
How would it not necessarily be a similar thing if what you've asserted between Red and Blue states are also the key differences between black people and white people, like schooling, income, etc?
I also wouldn't say that politics is a "choice", kind of like believing in God isn't a choice, if that makes sense? As in you can't just decide what you believe to be just is actually wrong without any outside factor forcing you to in some way.
So let's say that Black people are lagging behind in all the same ways Republicans are, how can you justify saying that Republicans are just big stinky dumb dumbs but black people that are even worse by the same measurements you determine Republicans to be big stinky dumb dumbs by aren't infact even bigger stinky dumb dumbs because of other factors? It wouldn't change that they're bigger stinky dumb dumbs than the average Republican only you'd of tried to find a way to justify it, not discredit it?
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You can download the full study from the "State of Obesity 2020" link, it has maps, graphs, etc. The 12 states over 35% are literally just the most obese states in the US. They happen to be red states as well, with the exception of Michigan. The next level down, 30-35%, is mostly red states. The bluer the state, the less obese it tends to be.
It's a problem when "red states" are at such disadvantages, don't you think? Health, life expectancy, educational opportunities, jobs are lagging in these areas. I mean, these are plain facts and brushing aside facts or minimizing them doesn't help.
Regarding conspiracy theories, I can't really think of any left-wing ones that have actually caused major problems, however I can think of several right-wing ones right off the top 0f my head that have. QAnon, the "stolen" 2020 election, the Covid vaccine has a microchip (or will kill you in 6 months, etc),the "birther" movement, Sandy Hook "crisis actors", that's just what I can think of in a few seconds, there's no doubt more. I can't think of any left-wing ones that compare in scale or damage done. Not saying there isn't any, just saying I can't think of any.
To be honest with you, I hate most media. They're all pretty bad with manipulation, I agree. That said, I do see a big difference in how the outlets peddle stories. With your example of the current story of the cop killing the black girl, to me thats not at all fear mongering, it's outrage porn. Their intent doesn't seem to be to cause fear, it seems to fan the flames of the current anti-police climate. A current example of fear mongering on the right is "the border crisis" narrative. An example of victim mentality could be Tucker Carlson claiming white people are under attack. With conservative news, I notice a constant "boogeyman" threat, whereas on the left, I see more "virtue triggering" (I may be making that term up, it's just what comes to mind so I hope you get what I mean).
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Shit, yeah turns out part of it was clickeable. Doofus that I am.
It seems that although they may be less obese they are still growing in their obesity rates just as red states are. Question. I'm not 'Murican so I don't know by heart which states are blue and which ones are red. Are these findings based on the population percentages? Also, would you say that it's possible for a group to not only have more obese people but also have more people above average in physical attractiveness?
It might be but I don't know what the cause of it is so I couldn't tell you.
You don't think the BLM narrative consists of conspiracy theories that has resulted in over a years worth of protest and rioting? I'd argue that example alone would blow the list you gave out the water alongside any other examples I myself could give like the idea that western society oppresses women or that white people are inherently racist, etc. A lot of the examples you gave, atleast to me, don't appear within the key figures of the right but the ones I've mentioned are openly accepted by left wing influencers/leaders. I'd argue the left absolutely take the cake for conspiracy theories that are outside the realm of the internet and cause damage.
But they're fanning those flames by telling people there is something to fear aggressing on them. Do you not think it's possible that you're perhaps splitting hairs here (unintentionally)?
I suppose I would have to ask in regards to the two examples you gave here is at what point can a news outlet believe something important needs to be talked about even if it causes fear without it being considered fear mongering? I think there's justified reason to view "The border crisis" with fear of what it may cause if not solved and I definitely believe white people are under attack but could you honestly tell me that Tucker Carlson has parroted "Whites under attack" to the same extend left wing media has parroted the "Blacks under attack" fear mongering?
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It's the rate of obese adults in the state, so a 35% obesity rate means 35% of the adult population of the state is obese.
I suppose one group could have both extremes of attractiveness. I live in red Kentucky and most of the people I see are more on the hideous side though.
So, a huge part of why red states are worse off in health, education, jobs, poverty, etc is precisely because of conservative policy. Conservative policy doesn't value putting money into education, social programs or Healthcare. Liberal policy is opposite, so you'll often see better education, health, social programs and opportunity in Liberal areas.
BLM and feminism aren't conspiracy theories by any stretch. Every example I listed does have links to "key figures of the right", one of whom is Donald Trump. Trump was at the forefront of the "stolen election" scam, along with several of his family members, some members of congress, former mayor Rudy Giuliani, and several other high profile individuals. Right-wing news outlets peddled the baseless conspiracy theory as well, and some have been served with billion dollar lawsuits from Dominion voting systems.
Donald Trump, Rush and several other right-wingers were big in spreading the "birther" conspiracy.
There are at least 2 QAnon-affiliated members of congress. They're Republicans.
Believing a conspiracy theory about the Covid vaccine having a microchip or whatever is a public health and economy issue. Republican leadership didn't exactly help here with the anti-science stance they decided to take. Also, Donald Trump got vaccinated in secret back in January instead of setting an example for his supporters.
Sandy Hook. Does the name Alex Jones ring a bell? Right-wing nut who harassed the families mercilessly, as did some others on the right. One of the 2 QAnon congresswoman has also been harassing shooting victims families.
No, I've seen that tactic used a lot in the lefty media, I'm confident it's not fear mongering. It's pretty clear to me that it's just to keep up the bad cop rage. I'll look at some CNN later and see if I can find a good fear mongering example.
I'm not sure what all evidence Tucker is using to prove whites are under attack, I've only seen or read minimal Tucker. I'm not sure exactly of everything BLM is saying either. I'd have to actually watch some interviews and stuff. I'll get back to you on that.