All attractive qualities in a partner are just as shallow as each other

I hate how some girls think they're so much more pure and moral and way less shallow than other girls because they don't care so much about a guy's looks. But then they'll happily judge him on other things, things that he has just as little control over as his looks. Things like being intelligent or funny or confident. Of course I'm not saying that attraction isn't important, but there's no difference whether it's a guy's looks or confidence that attracts you. Each of those requirements for a potential partner is as shallow as the other.

At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters about anybody is how nice they are. If they're the nicest person in the world and we still don't wanna be with them, then that's because of our own (arguably) selfish and shallow attractions.

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  • Tealights

    This sounds personal. Did this person give you a solid reason for rejecting you?

    Also, you're going down a dangerous path. Attraction comes in many different forms, majority is mostly physical, but some are multiple variations of emotional/psychological depending on where we are in life. Thinking that being nice is the only qualification for a good partner is naive, because anyone can pretend to be nice (even serial killers), and not many of us can tell if someone is lying about it.

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    • LornaMae

      Yeah, I dated a really nice guy once. Then he fucked me over. Good times!

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      • RoseIsabella

        There are a lot of so called "really nice people" who come off as really nice, because they hold everything inside, and are afraid of conflict.

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      No one rejected me. I'm just pissed off at people who casually say that looks aren't important, that as long as you're confident then you're ok, as if this will make me feel better. But that's a much bigger punch in the face than saying you need to be good looking to get a girlfriend. That's a criticism of my personality. Plus it can be a much harder thing to overcome than looking more attractive, which in many cases can be solved with some acne cream, a new haircut and a stylish shirt.

      I didn't mean that being nice was the only qualification for a partner, I know that attraction is important for a partner. I just meant in general in life, being nice is really the only important quality. Anything extra is just a bonus.

      I don't know if I'd agree with you on that nice people are just lying about it though. Obviously yeah, they could just be pretending to be nice, but that'd be a very small percentage really. If you only went out with attractive confident people because you were worried that the nice guys were just faking it anyway, then you'd likely meet a lot more douchebags than you otherwise would.

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      • cinderfloof

        Honey, confidence is in your control - and something that's more important than haircuts and acne cream. It's harder to overcome simply because it's so important to not only your relationships with others, but in yourself.

        I know it's in control from experience. I used to be dorky. I was embarrassed about my slight lisp, my acne, my crooked teeth, my poofy hair, and one day I decided that I wasn't going to be embarrassed to exist. I immediately acted the part of girls I looked up to. I walked tall, smiled wide, and dressed the way I wanted to with my hair in a full poof.

        It was hard at first, yeah. I would internally panic and sometimes actually pardoned myself to have secret crying fits of discomfort. I shook as I delivered my speech to become class president, couldn't breathe when I asked someone out for the first time, and wondered every night why I kept pushing - but it worked. I'm in college commercials and I'm celebrating my three year anniversary with that boy now.

        I'm still stereotypically unattractive - but it seems like people don't notice anymore. Boys actually like me. Hell, earlier I complimented someone's jacket and had to stop him from giving it to me. It's all because I decided to let myself freely exist - and you should too. That's all confidence is.

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        • JellyBeanBandit

          It just seems completely impossible sometimes though, like I may as well be trying to defy gravity. Still, thank you for that, that was some really inspirational advice.

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          • cinderfloof

            Its difficult, but aren't all things worth doing? Here's a tip: sit down and think about who you want to be in an ideal world. Make that persona into a character. Play that character. It's hard, but do it. Do it in your home, to your friends, to your enemies; even when you don't want to. Eventually weeks pass, and you find yourself aligning with that persona until it becomes who you are.

            I wish you luck!

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            • JellyBeanBandit

              I've heard of that strategy before but I've never given it a go, but I will now then. Thank you.

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  • bigbudchonga

    This is a very interesting take. Your logic makes sense, but I disagree with it. Shallow seems to be used because looks/body is just that; you see them and you're attracted or you're not, that's it. Whereas personality/intelligence goes far deeper than a base desire for physical attraction.

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      Yeah I think, since reading another comment here, I have changed my mind that valuing intelligence and confidence is as shallow as valuing looks. Even so though I still think it's just as unfortunate for someone to be rejected on their lack of intelligence or confidence, than on their looks, since they don't have control over either. And that it's just as unfortunate that there's no solution to it. Attraction is important, you can't choose who you're attracted to, and people without those attractive traits can't choose to have them.

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  • SomeEmoLord

    Someone's salty, i'm assuming

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    • RoseIsabella

      I ate some fried chicken that was too salty yesterday, and it gave me the worst acid reflux to choke on down my windpipe. I will probably end up spending days feeling like I have bronchitis. These stupid Northern people don't know shit about making fried chicken!

      If OP's attitude was food it would cause indigestion, diarrhea and acid reflux all together.

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      • SomeEmoLord

        Damn, sounds rough

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        • RoseIsabella

          Thanks, it's been more than 24 hours, and my chest still feels awful like it does when I've got bronchitis.

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          • SomeEmoLord

            You should get it checked tbh

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            • RoseIsabella

              Thanks, I think its actually getting better now. It's so gross when I choke on my stomach acid, then it goes down my windpipe, and burns me.

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  • LornaMae

    CALL ME SHALLOW ALL YOU WANT BUT IF HE AIN'T FUNNY OR SMART, NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!!

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    • RoseIsabella

      You're not shallow, you are smart!

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      • LornaMae

        Thanks. If I were also funny I'd be tempted to date myself! lol

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        • RoseIsabella

          You are funny, cool Brazilian lady! 🥥🍍🍌😊

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          • LornaMae

            So I guess I'm all set to take my relationship with myself to the next level! Hahahaha

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      Sorry, I didn't mean to say you were shallow. I'm just saying you're only as shallow as someone whose priority would be on a guy's looks.

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      • LornaMae

        That's not how it works, really. Smart and funny are parts of someone's essence, while looks are just the shell - and it says nothing about a person's inner existence, beliefs, character, etc. How is valuing a person for what he/she is shallow?

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        • JellyBeanBandit

          Wow that's an excellent point. When you put it that way I think I'd have to agree now then that choosing someone based on their intelligence, humour, etc. probably isn't as shallow as on their looks. I do still think though that the only thing that really matters and that isn't the slightest bit shallow is how nice someone is, and that's also the only thing you can easily choose to be. I'm just trying to say it's a shame that there are so many wonderful caring people out there who are rejected because they're not intelligent or confident, and they can't just choose to be.

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          • LornaMae

            I guess I understand what you're trying to say. However, there is still a part of me that disagrees on the 'nice' part. You seem to be equating it to being good, as in having a good heart and nature.

            Acting nice is easy, it's just how you ACT; while being good goes beyond that, it's how you ARE. Do you see the difference?

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            • JellyBeanBandit

              I see what you mean, but I'd have to disagree with it tbh. I think even if you're a sadistic psycho on the inside it doesn't matter, just so long as you only ever act nice. And vice versa, it's no good if someone thinks compassionate loving thoughts if they never do anything to help others. I think there's a quote that says something like "It's our actions that define us", I think that's true.

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      • RoseIsabella

        None of it is shallow!

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  • SidelineSally

    Intelligence is something you can help. Yes, being a member of a different socioeconomic status can give you a disadvantage/advantage. However, once you become a certain age you have the internet at your fingertips. From there It’s up to the individual to pursue higher level thinking. Also, intelligence is not shallow. You bet your butt I want a mentally capable person who can help support my future offspring.

    Confidence is something also that someone can help. Granted, some people may start at different levels because of their skills, looks, etc. But confidence is something that first is built through self acceptance and I know plenty of guys with nothing going on for them that love and accept themselves. Confidence just takes time and practice. Also, how is confidence shallow? No one wants to be with an insecure or weak person in a relationship. How can I trust any decision or thought of someone who is never confident in anything? That would just be stressful.

    Lastly, niceness is not the deciding factor for attraction. You’re coming off as one of those “nice guys” who gets mad when the girl doesn’t want to be romantically involved with you. Niceness is not the only component of a person’s personality. girls are trying to search for depth in a partner and you think all it takes is just saying your please and thank you’s.

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      Well I didn't say that you have no control over your intelligence/confidence, but yeah maybe I was little quick to say you only have as much control over them as you do your looks. Most people probably would be able to improve their intelligence and confidence more than they could their looks. Honestly though I do think it depends on the person. Some people could spend years working on those things and get nowhere, where as a simple makeover could drastically improve their looks.

      Just because their unconfident in their decisions though, doesn't mean they're bad decisions. It's just that they unfortunately don't believe in themselves.

      Nah I wouldn't get mad at anyone for not wanting to be with me, it's not their fault. No one (including me) can help who they're attracted to, and I've had to turn down people before. Well I think being nice is the only important quality for a person. For a partner though it's just unfortunate that we also need to be attracted to them.

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    • RoseIsabella

      I think you are spot on!

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  • drat

    Disagree, if that's the case then why don't you start going out with all the nice mentally retarded people out there? It's unfulfilling as hell to be in a relationship with stupid, unfunny, insecure people unless you are those things yourself. Those are all qualities you can improve (unless you are in fact mentally retarded), you're just being lazy.

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      Well I never said that I didn't judge people on their traits too, I was just ranting that some people think it's ok to judge others on certain traits but less so on others. I think they're all equally bad. I don't think we're all assholes for doing it though, since we can't help who we're attracted to. I was just trying to point out the unfortunate prejudice of human nature.

      Some people can improve on those qualities, but for others it'll never realistically happen no matter how hard they try. I think they're often about as difficult to improve as looks. Some people can drastically improve their looks simply by wearing make-up, getting a new haircut, buying trendy clothes, even getting light surgery.

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  • kelili

    We should just agree that people are complex and what makes one attracted ( and eventually date) a person differs from one to another. I have been attracted to gorgeous guys and dated them, some were not interesting because what they liked and what I liked differed but there are other people who I'm sure find them amazing. I've also dated guys that I was attracted first but then found them to be more interesting because I like to talk about social issues and they did too.

    The kind of guy that I was strongly against were the one who were expecting me to change or trying to control my movements and the kind of friends I was going out with.

    But I do understand what you are saying but I don't think that there is anyone who is really nice all the time. I take myself as example. In some relationship I was very nice and in others less. There are people who would say that I have been very bad to them and others who would say that they have been bad to me.

    What I mean is that there is no way to understand to what we are really attracted to. Fristly it may be looks, then it may be personality but when you're with somebody for a long time you no longer know what has taken the relationship that far. It's the addition of a lot of little things.

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  • SwickDinging

    But there are so many attractive qualities a person can have which they do have control over? Being hardworking, laidback, well-read, charitable, successful, ambitious, considerate, the list goes on and on. And also confidence is something that most people do have some control over, long-term, as well as being funny. I don't think any of that is shallow, it speaks volumes of someone's character and we all have control over that.

    I guess maybe intelligent is legitimate but even then I do think most people have some control over this, depending on how you define intelligence. It's difficult to define it in a meaningful way.

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  • RoseIsabella

    I think it's inappropriate to judge someone as shallow, because they happen to prefer an attractive, intelligent, and witty person instead of an ugly, stupid, and unamusing person. We all have a right like what we like.

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    • LornaMae

      Buuuuut, what if the ugly, stupid, and unamusing person is NICE, EH, Rose?! Hahahaha

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      • RoseIsabella

        Then I will try to be nice back, but I'm not gonna be disingenuous to myself.

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        • LornaMae

          Of course, just kidding! :P

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    • nikkiclaire

      This

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      Yeah that's fair enough. This is more directed at people who look down on others as shallow for judging guys on their looks, but will then judge those same guys on similar qualities.

      But yeah, no one can force themselves to be attracted to someone they're not attracted to, no matter how nice they are, even if they tried. So it isn't their fault. I'm just trying to show how unfair human nature is that some of the nicest people are rejected because of other comparatively shallow traits.

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      • SwickDinging

        I can actually see where you're coming from with this.

        I think it's silly to pretend that physical attraction isn't important ... Why would you kiss and have sex with someone you don't fancy lol

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      • RoseIsabella

        You're free to believe whatever you want, but none of it is shallow! There's nothing shallow about having a personal preference. It is what it is. I just don't think that the rejection is really that sad, because if the nice people who are supposedly being rejected would go after other so called nice people in their own league they probably wouldn't get rejected so much.

        I personally am not going to be interested in anyone I am not attracted to, nor anyone who isn't intelligent, isn't witty and I am not going to be interested in anyone who is significantly older than me. If someone is more than five to seven years older than me then I won't be interested, and to be completely honest I've never been interested in anyone more than one, or two years older than me. People can think that I'm shallow, or superficial all they want, but if they feel like sharing their opinions with me they better be ready to receive a hearty and sincere, "go fuck yourself", from me.

        There are plenty of hot, smart and funny guys who wouldn't be interested in me, and I'm not the least bit bothered by it, because it's just a fact of life. It's okay if they aren't into me, because they have a right to their preferences.

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        • JellyBeanBandit

          I guess. I do think it's a shame though that they aren't the most highly prized.

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          • RoseIsabella

            Yeah, but ask yourself this, do you want them?

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            • JellyBeanBandit

              No, but then I never said I did. When I was arguing that it's possibly shallow, I was talking about human nature in general, so including me. I certainly wasn't claiming that everyone but me is shallow, it was those kind of annoying people that inspired me to ask this question in the first place.

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  • paracetamol

    They care about your bank balance tho.

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    • RoseIsabella

      Practically everyone cares about your bank account, unless they can afford not to, and are more interested in using their money to try to control others.

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    • SwickDinging

      I don't see that as a bad thing though... Before I got married I earnt a higher than average salary and I wasn't interested in a man earning significantly less than me because I'd had a relationship in the past where they had been a total sponge and drained my finances (alcohol, gambling etc). I wanted someone on my level so I could have the best standard of living that I could afford without having to pay someone else's way.

      Also for me I knew I wanted children and wanted to stay at home with them until they started school, so I needed someone who shared this goal and was able to provide for a family for a few years on his own income. Eventually I found him and so far, so good :)

      If you're just talking about lazy people who want you to buy them expensive stuff and pay their way then nah, fuck that. They need to find themselves better careers and sort their own shit out before they start making demands like that of a man they've just met

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  • helloitsme

    That's stupid. I'm not gonna date someone unless they are smart and funny, because then we'd have nothing to say to eachother. I've met 10000 "nice" guys who I find exceptionally boring, why should I be forced to date them?
    Not to mention that what I may find smart and funny is super different from what someone else finds funny. A perfect linear scale for judging people's smarts or whatever does not exist. So it just matters if the person is a match to you.

    Case in point: I once played cards against humanity with my BF and another couple (and two other people). Even though obviously the cards where shuffled so the person choosing wouldn't know who submitted them, each member of a coupletended to choose the other member almost everytime; *because they had the same sense of humour*. Which isn't to say one couple was funnier than the other, or that the two single people were unfunny, just that we had found good matches.

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  • EnglishLad

    Ironically, being shallow is a VERY unattractive trait.

    NB: Just so you know, it's not only girls who judge the people they date on their physical, mental and emotional traits. Everyone does it.

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      Yeah I know, I just mentioned girls since I've seen real life examples of them judging other girls for prioritising looks.

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  • Meowypowers

    Looking beautiful is evolutionarily good for healthy people. Also not being dumb, and creepy.

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      Exactly, that's why we're attracted to such traits. But nature (and therefore human nature) can be cruel. And until we can alter our own brains at will, we're stuck with our cruel human nature.

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  • The traits that you mentioned can be changed to a large extent by a person's own efforts.

    Your looks are just what you were born with, and there's no really changing that except through surgery

    Intelligence:

    It's often judged by how generally knowledgeable and quick-witted someone is. Knowledge can be acquired by being studious, observant, hard-working and willing to learn.

    The more knowledge you have, the easier it is to rapidly bring it to the surface and use it resourcefully- quick-wit.

    Those are things within your control. A lot of smart people may not physically have better brains than normal, or even perceived stupid people. It's their attitude towards others and education that makes the difference.

    Confidence:

    It's belief in yourself and your abilities, and being comfortable with them.

    From my own experiences and knowledge of others', I've concluded that true self-confidence (not ego) is something that you have to earn for yourself.

    Confidence can come from making yourself into the best person you can be- someone you can be proud of.

    First, make a decision to accept areas that you don't like, but you can't improve upon, like disabilities or ugliness.

    But what can you improve? Upon asking that question, you'll probably realize that there's a lot, and that's a good thing.

    Work hard, develop skills, exercise and eat better if you're overweight, study if you feel stupid.

    Funny:

    Tbh, I don't know that much about this, but I think that it's associated with both confidence and intelligence.

    To make good jokes, you'd need the wit to compose them, and the confidence to put yourself out there, despite the possibility that others won't find you funny.

    On a physical and technical level, it is more shallow to prefer traits on the outside to those on the inside.

    All that being said, I still find those "pure", "moral" girls to be somewhat annoying. They can be just as picky, so how much difference does it really make?

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    Ok, that's fair enough. Thank you too for your polite response :)

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  • RoseIsabella

    Who cares we what other people think! If someone thinks I'm shallow, because of one thing, or another they can kiss my ass. I'm not going accept anything I don't want for fear of some asshole thinking I'm shallow. We all have our preferences, and our types.

    Also there are plenty of so called nice people who are just phonies who can't express themselves.

    It's better to be alone than to be with a stupid, unfunny, ugly toad of a person.

    You sound really bitter, like you've got a big cow chip on your shoulder there, OP. You just post this stupid garbage then sit there giving people the thumbs down, because you are too "nice" to actually respond to the comments. Who the Hell are you to actually judge anyone else on whether, or not they are actually shallow? The good news is that most smart, and savvy people don't care what you think of them.

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    • JellyBeanBandit

      All I said was that preferring one quality in a partner over another is just AS shallow. I'm not saying either are shallow. No one can help who they're attracted to. I was just pissed off that some people judge others as shallow for prioritising a guy's looks, but then prioritise similar qualities themselves. I wasn't judging anyone as shallow, I was just pointing out how it's unfortunate that human nature can leave some nice people behind when they don't deserve it.

      I haven't thumbed any comments down btw, they all made good points actually. And sorry if I wasn't fast enough responding, I posted that late last night and didn't get a chance to respond till now.

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      • RoseIsabella

        See the thing is that I don't think any of it is shallow, and the people who insist on calling others shallow are usually just jerks. Yeah, some people have certain superficial preferences, but in the end it's none of my, or anyone else's business.

        Thanks for your polite response! 🙂

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