Why? Why is it? Did I say it will ever happen? No. I'm saying it should happen, and it's the fair thing to do.
Don't just say the reasons, list the reasons.
So far I have countered all of her points, the tax payers money is probably the only point that is actually close to having a good point, but if I'm missing any, go ahead and tell me.
But, if you want to feel comfort, not risking the chance of me making a point against these reasons you have, then feel free not to mention the number of reasons I won't listen to, even though I listened to her reasons and countered them.
What you meant was "Number of reasons he won't accept", and your right about that, I won't accept them if there is a way to counter it, because by countering it, it proves it's not right.
The female pays just the same as the male. How's it fair that the male doesn;t have to pay? THAT's NOT fair. Explain to me how that's fair.
Male and female create kid. BOTH should pay for it's needs. That's the most fair thing in the world.
How you can't see that, and see the consequences of that, are, well, plain, STUPID.
YOu think you counter points, but you don't. None of your 'points' are valid.
TALK TO A LAWYER.....he will tell you how idiotic you sound....but as you said, you refuse to talk to a lawyer, or the State, or anyone else involved in these legal matters because you KNOW YOU"RE wrong. Your 'counter points' (and I use that VERY loosely) are crap. Not points at all. You've got a LOT of research and education to undertake.
Your arrogance is astounding. You make NO valid points.
Notice how NO ONE supports you (except for teenyboppers or jilted lovers)....that should tell you something.
YOU create it, YOU take care of it. Whether or not YOU want it has NO bearing. If you don't want it, then DON'T HAVE SEX, idiot.
What if the woman doesn't want the kid? Then what? What if that woman doen't believe in abortion or adoption? What if she is RESPONSIBLE and just cares for it and takes it as a blessing or a gift, or just a part of life that just happened? You keep talking about men, but what about women? Women who don't blieve in 'just getting rid of it'?? THINK a little.
I countered everything. You're just too headstrong to accept it.
How's it not fair? Easil;y countered. The woman "Wanted" the child, so she should pay for the child "she wanted". The male didn't want the child, so why should he be forced to pay for the child he doesn't want?
If women don't want to pay for a child, they can be rid of the responsibility.
The female is paying for the child she wanted, while the male is paying for the child he didn't want. One is being forced, while the other one isn't.
There, I countered. Is that not a counter in your books...Why am I asking that? I plainly is, but it won't be in your mind set. -sigh-
It's not as simple as that. If it was as simple as that, if a rapist raped a woman, then she should keep the child, even if thewoman wants an abortion.
Another point is that a woman might want to have a child, the man doesn't want a child, but she allows herself to fall pregnant anyway.
One is willingly and happily putting themself inthe roleof parenthood, while the other is being forced. So tell me, how is that "fair"?
-Sigh- calling me stupid when I'm countering all your points doesn't say much about you.
Ahem. I said I wouldn't talk toa lawyer or judge about this. But I have already commented to you saying this three times. If you explain the situaion to alawyer or judge, telling them that someone wishes to spend more than two hours of their time with no financial benefit, and they say they will, then I will be more than happy. See, even when I say I will if the person suggesting it sets it up, you still try to pass it off as me saying I'll never do it. Such a moronic thing would only come from you.
I have no good counter points? Oh? Then how come you still haven't countered most ofmy normal points or any of my counter counts? Like I said, saying I have no point and proving I have no point are two different things.
You say my arrogance astounds you? I make no valid points?...-Sigh- Read this carefully. I'm not puting these in capitals as in I'm raging, it's more so you actually read it, and that it stands out.
IF I HAVE NO VALID POINTS, THEN PROVE I HAVE NOVALID POINTS. SIMPLY SAYING IT AND NOT BEINGABLE TO PROVE MY POINTS INVALID SHOWS DIFFERENTLY.
I have made point and counter points to everything you say, you can't counter the majority of them, which if they were wrong you would be able to do, and yet I'm the arrogant one?
Notice how nobody supports me? Really? What about the poll creator? He private messaged me saying that they agree with me completely, and that they agree with all the points made. This person is male, I have barely talked to them, and at some point I believe we has a debate that wasn't exactly on great terms. So no, not just my "Teenyboppers or jilted lovers" that I actually don't even have. So, let me see who tookyour side... Oh, PumpkinKate. Someone that from what I gather, doesn't even like me, and will take everyone else's side but mine.
So, I have someone that I barely talk to on my side, and someone I talk to onoccasions, and you have someone that always goes against what I say, despite if the majority agrees.
What I actually like, was that you were trying to make people that agree with me seem stupid, just so that you don't have to agree to the fact that I'm right, and that people are agreeing with what I say.
Like I keep saying. Sex doesn't mean parenthood anymore, sex is mostly for pleasure. By that logic, if a woman that got raped wants the rapist to take care of the child made by rape, then he should...Great logic, the irony of you calling me an idiot in that sentence.
Think a little? Ok. Let me come up with yet another easily counter point. Oh, I got it.
That's "her" beliefs. So a man should suffer because of "her" beliefs? What if the man is against abortion, that it's against his religion, and his partner does it anyway? What then? I guess that's ok, right?
Your whole logic is that if a woman choses not to want an abortion or put it up for adoption, then it's partly the man's fault for her keeping the child. No, if it's her belief, it's her responsibity if the male didn't want the child or share those beliefs.
Thought a little, made a counter point, now telling you to do the same. Think a little.
Just like all the other comments from you, I countered this one on every point you made, yet you are going to try convince yourself I haven't, even when you can't make a counter point.
"How's it not fair? Easily countered. The woman "Wanted" the child, so she should pay for the child "she wanted"."-ItDuz
Pardon, but the MAN and the WOMAN had sex. Pregnancy happens when people have sex.
Maybe the woman didn't want the child?? Huh?? BUT....what if she doesn't believe in abortion (which is a LOT of women!!). Then what?
Just don't have sex, avoid the whole problem. Or know your partner well enough to have confidence that you both can come to a reasonable decision. Hello?
YOu didn't counter ANY point, btw. You just repeat yourself and refuse to listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you.
Go talk to a lawyer, seriously. SERIOUSLY. He'll tell you how wrong you are.....but you don't want that, do you? You're afraid. It's OK, try to get over your fear and just do it.
Yes, the man empregnated her, but she still had the means of getting rid of the responsibility. So if a man has sex, he can't get out of parenthood, but if a woman does, she is allowed several escapes from parenthood? Great equality there.
If she doesn't believe in abortion? Easy. Adoption. "What if she doesn't believe in adoption?" Then it's "her" responsibility to deal with the consequences of "her" beliefs. If her beliefs are what's making her keep the chilld, then it's responsibility to run by "her" beliefs. The man isn't to get his rights controlled by a woman because of her "beliefs". What's actually sickening is that that thought process is the same as terrorists. "The people that don't believe or go by these beliefs deserve to be punished due to them being wrong".
Just don't have sex. How many times does this have to be repeated. Sex is performed for pleasure more than reproduction. It is our natural instinct is to have sex. Wow, what? You're saying the reasonable decision part? You mean like having unprotected sex with people you know aren't good father material, yet decide to the keep the baby anyway?
I didn't counter any points? I've done nothing but counter each of your points. I just repeat myself? Yeah, I have been repeating myself half of the time, and why do you think that is? Because you are repeating yourself, avoiding the counter points I already made for the point you present.
-Sigh- Shut up, will you? I've said constantly that if you get in contact with a lawyer willing to communicate with me on the matter I'll do it, and you ignore that even though I'm saying it in every reply. Face it, you're scared. Patheticly scared. You know you won't phone up to arrange it because it's a stupid suggestion, regardless, I said I would still do it if you set it up.
Awww poor little Wigsplitz can't read? Can't handle the fact that she's being asked to get a lawyer to contact me, then still acts like I haven't asked her to set it up. Don't worry, you're patheticness shows on those merits alone.
What if she doesn't believe in abortion, hmmm? Most women don't.
What if she doesn't know she's pregnant until it's too late? What if she hides the pregnancy?
YOU call a lawyer, it's YOUR issue, not mine. I already know what a lawyer would say. You don't. You're the one who needs to find out for yourself. It's your issue, YOU provide the research. That's how the world works. You have the burden of proof, not me. Lazy ass. Or scared. Or both.
What if she doesn't believe in abortion? Then followed up by a sarcastic "Hmmm", then followed by my counter that was made with ease, let's watch.
What if she doesn't believe in abortion?....A-D-O-P-T-I-O-N. Did you get that? Adoption.
And even if it was the case of her not believing in it, that's "her" beliefs, not the man's. The man shouldn't be made to live due to "her" beliefs. That idea is disgusting, and I'll give an example of why.
If you went to an area where terrorism and violence is committed due to it being the "beliefs" that all non believers must suffer. Say a foreigner, an American went over to that location, say a reporter even, or something along those lines. They know of the majority of peoples beliefs in the area, and know that saying their religion is stupid etc resorts in death. Now say that person says to the otherperson accompanying them to that location, and said "I don't think their religion is correct", and since it is the majority of the populations belief that there religion and God is true, all non believers should be punished. Is it right that since the foreigners went to their location and said they don't act on the same beliefs as their religion, going against the terrorist's religion, that the terrorist gets to punnish the foreigner for going against "his" belief? The foreigners knew the price to saying such things, so do they deserve to be killed for nor believing in it? Ofcourse not, because it's the "terrorists" belief, not the foreginers, and it's wrong to make someone else suffer for not sharing the same beliefs, just like it's not fair that a man shouldn't be punished to have a child he doesn't want if it's the woman's belief that abortion is bad.
The example I made is extreme, and is in no way is abortion as bad as what such people do, but the example was that it's the type of mindset people like you believe in, and the type of mind set terrorists would have to support their point, that they didn't share the same beliefs, so they should be punished.
Most women don't? Look at the poll and comments, I think you'll find that the majority so far say otherwise.
What if she doesn't know until it's too late? Then that's her fault for not checking "her" body, but even after that, she can still put the child up for adoption, regardless of it being too late to abort. What if she hides the pregnancy? Now that has got to be the lowest and most pathetic point you made on that comment. If she hides it, then that's "her" fault. So a man should suffer because "she" hid the pregnancy? Yeah, another example. Imagine a family member of a murderer. The murderer's mother wants to hide the son's ways due to shame of her son being a killer. She hides information that will get him charged and locked away for the good of the public. Then later the man murders someone else. If that woman hadn't of hidden the information, that person would of still been alive. So hiding it for "her" reasons isn't at all a reasonable excuse when someone else is at risk of the woman hiding the information. Same thought process, different scenario/situation.
I made a statement, you turned it in to a debate, you suggested the lawyer thing, you should make it happen. Call the lawyer on behalf of "your" side, so that "you" know if you're right or not. You have no idea of what a lawyer would say, so don't say you do. If you did, then you would of stood abetter chance in this debate, but since I have countered all your points, to say you know what a lawyer would say, meaning you would be replying to me the counter points a lawyer would make, would mean I'm smarter than a lawyer for winning a debate against someone (you) that knows what a lawyer would say.
So no, you don't know what a lawyer would say, infact, anyone that thinks saying "Your points are retarded, which is why I didn't reply" is a good enough counter point with no explanation of why it's "retarded" couldn't possibly know what a lawyer would say, because believe it or not, laywers actually have skill in such things, where as you clearly don't.
I know I'm right, so you have to prove me wrong. So far I have all your points countered, I am winning, so that means I don't need to look for further proof if I am already winning, that means if you want to know what a lawyer would say, to prove me wrong, you have to look it up.
You know what a lawyer would say, and then you say that I'm arrogant. Pfft.
YOU get in contact with a lawyer, why the hell should I? I already know what he's gonna say. It's YOUR argument YOU do the homework. I'm not doing YOUR work for you. You brought it up, YOU prove it.
In life, if you want to make a point, YOU gather the info. You don't make some claim and then never back it up with facts.
No. I made a statement, you dissagree with it, and you came to me to say I'm wrong. That means it's your responsibility to contact a lawyer if you have suggested it to further your point. Actually, wrong. You brought it up. You are saying they'll laugh at me due to tax payments going higher, and the tax payment part of this conversation was introduced by you, not me.
"Go find your facts. Bye"...Aren't you missing out the part about the actual discussion that was before the whole lawyer thing? Now you're avoiding the main points to talk about the lawyer thing. Just shows you can't prove me wrong.
This is what I'm talking about. You don't counter any of my points, then claim you've countered all of them, when you didn't even discuss what that comment was mainly about. -Sigh-
TALK TO A LAWYER before you post anymore of this dribble. Seriously. Go. You'll get schooled. And, note that MOST lawyers are MALE. You need to expand your views. YOu are NOT right, you make NO valid points, you sound like a joke. No country would allow tis to hapen.
YOUR taxes will go up to pay for ids that are unsupported. PERIOD. did I say PERIOD? so, you want males to dump their kids, yet you completely FAIL to understand that YOU (via increased taxes) will be paying for kids that aren't even yours.
The responsible party (mom,dad) should be paying. Not you, not me, not every other Tom, Dick and Harry. Idiot.
Talk to a lawyer? Like I said, you set it up due to it being your idea, and I'll accept to talk to them if they accept to it. I've said this on every reply to you, and you choose to ignore it. So either be willing to make your suggestion happen, or don't suggest it.
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If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong. I have countered all of your points, you're just too arrogant to accept it.
I sound like a joke, even though I've gone through every part ofeach of your comments, and made counter points for each one. When you knopw you can't counter my points, you resort to petty insults, and the claim "You're wrong because I said so".
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Like I said, take the money away from the women that made the wrong choices so that the money can be given for males to make a choice at all. You avoid these points I make and made, just so you can think you have a point, even when my past points have already proved your current pointswrong, and I have to repeat myself.
And my taxes will go down if the money wasn't needed for child benefits. So, what's your point? If your point is taxes, then taken away child benefits will lessen them. But I know what your point is, it's not for the child, the taxpayers or the women, you are arguing so that males don't get as much choice as women, and it's that simple.
Keep the points coming, I will counter them each time.
You haven't countered anything, you just keep repeating yourself over and over.
Why the hell should I set you up with a lawyer? YOU made the claim, YOU do the research. You've done NO research, NONE. Since YOU brought up the topic, YOU are obligated to find the evidence, duh.
I repeat myself over and over. Funny, if I repeat myself over and over, how come each of my points are usually drasticly different sizes? Now you're going to hide behind the "you repeat yourself" act, just so you don't have to make any point at all. Pathetic.
I tell you what, though. I'll invite some users from chat, not all like me, to read over this if they are willing to, and we'll get some input there.
I'm still waiting for your 'points'....haven't seen one yet besides what you 'think' is a point....that men should be able to financially abort a kid. That's it.
You provide NO facts, NO studies, no nothing.
You have NO clue how the family court system works, you've NEVER talked to a lawyer (or the like), never interviewed people who know about the subject.
So, get on it. Make some informed claims and the get back to me. Quit repeating the same ignorant crap over and over again and try to act smart. Get a clue, get informed. I DARE you, but I know you're too afraid because you say you refuse to do it. Grow a set of balls and do it.
Wrong. I brought up the topic, not to you, to the poll. You came to me, so you are obliged to make the effort to prove me wrong due to you coming to me to say I'm wrong.
Don't worry, I'm making a list of things you haven't correctly countered. Might take a while due to reading them all, but I'm sure you'll avoid it.
First of all...shut up....talk to REAL people like lawyers, lawmakers, taxpayers, etc...and THEN come back. Serously. Or are you too afraid?
You just come on here, where most people don't pay taxes, don't make laws, have NO clue how the system works, are probably under 18 (or VERY young) and have NO clue.
Talk to some REAL people who actually work in such fields.
But you're too scared. I know, it's scary. But try it. Then come back with your findings. I doubt you will, too afraid of being proven completely wrong and looking like even more of a complete fool than you already are.
AM I too afraid? Didn't you read the last part? You want me to talk to such people, and this debate with you has gone on for more than two hours. Do you really think any of those people are going to sit and take part of a two hour debate that gives them no financial profit? If you believe that they would, you should gather some new thoughts.
Like I said, I have no problem talking to them, and since you want it to happen, you can set it up. Contact a lawyer or judge etc, inform them of how long this debate has taken, then ask them to take part of it with no pay. If they agree to doing so, then I'll do it. By your same logic, if you say you're not going to, it's because you're "afraid to actually contact them".
Oh, so most people on here have no idea, do they? You do? Oh, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, oh great Wigsplitz, but I don't think you understand, you can put your self on a high horse, but don't expect anyone else to see you sitting on it. Infact, expect me to pull you off it, kind of like I am now.
I'm nineteen. I have "no clue" yet I am countering all your points. Must be irritating, trying to make someones input seem stupid when they're completely dominating the debate.
Like I said. You want me to do it, so I will if you set it up. I like how you avoid that bit, the bit where I ask you to make it happen due to you wanting it to happen. See, it's not the actual debate that makes me think I'll makle a fool of myself, it's expectiing such busy people to take part in a two hour plus debate that started online...
Need what I said repeated? Like you do most of the time? Ok.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Something tells me you'll choose to ignore what I said here.
Anyway, on to countering your other points, if you can call them points. -Sigh-
YOu set it up, it's YOUR fight. I already know the outcome. You're the one who needs to see it for yourself.
You always do this....you make claims, pandering to mostly teenagers who don't know anything about the law or family court, or anything like that. YOU set it up.....it's YOUR issue. You want to fight for it, you have the burden of proof.
If you can find a group of lawyers, judges and other informed individuals in this matter, then I will concede and deem you the king of the issue.
I'm not ignoring anything you say. I read it all, I get your 'point', OK? All I'm asking you for is some VALID, legal opinions on the matter. Otherwise it's just a bunch of shit. So, PROVE it's a good idea that should be considered. I'll be waiting.
I read all your replies, which are nothing but repetition after repetition, taking NO consideration to what a few intelligent people have pointed things out to you.
You keep on making yourself look like a fool making these dumb arguements that will NEVER happen and sound ridiculous, that's on you. Many people on here are trying to help you see how dumb it all sounds.
I didn't start this, you did. Go back and see who made the first posts about this idiotic idea. It was you. And youu KEEP bringing it up. Get over it, it's a LOST CAUSE. You're just making yuorself look more and more ignorant.
But, hey, at least you won't have to worry about it because no woman would ever have sex with you if you actually act like this.
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Why? Why is it? Did I say it will ever happen? No. I'm saying it should happen, and it's the fair thing to do.
Don't just say the reasons, list the reasons.
So far I have countered all of her points, the tax payers money is probably the only point that is actually close to having a good point, but if I'm missing any, go ahead and tell me.
But, if you want to feel comfort, not risking the chance of me making a point against these reasons you have, then feel free not to mention the number of reasons I won't listen to, even though I listened to her reasons and countered them.
What you meant was "Number of reasons he won't accept", and your right about that, I won't accept them if there is a way to counter it, because by countering it, it proves it's not right.
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You didn't counter ANYTHING!!
The female pays just the same as the male. How's it fair that the male doesn;t have to pay? THAT's NOT fair. Explain to me how that's fair.
Male and female create kid. BOTH should pay for it's needs. That's the most fair thing in the world.
How you can't see that, and see the consequences of that, are, well, plain, STUPID.
YOu think you counter points, but you don't. None of your 'points' are valid.
TALK TO A LAWYER.....he will tell you how idiotic you sound....but as you said, you refuse to talk to a lawyer, or the State, or anyone else involved in these legal matters because you KNOW YOU"RE wrong. Your 'counter points' (and I use that VERY loosely) are crap. Not points at all. You've got a LOT of research and education to undertake.
Your arrogance is astounding. You make NO valid points.
Notice how NO ONE supports you (except for teenyboppers or jilted lovers)....that should tell you something.
YOU create it, YOU take care of it. Whether or not YOU want it has NO bearing. If you don't want it, then DON'T HAVE SEX, idiot.
What if the woman doesn't want the kid? Then what? What if that woman doen't believe in abortion or adoption? What if she is RESPONSIBLE and just cares for it and takes it as a blessing or a gift, or just a part of life that just happened? You keep talking about men, but what about women? Women who don't blieve in 'just getting rid of it'?? THINK a little.
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I countered everything. You're just too headstrong to accept it.
How's it not fair? Easil;y countered. The woman "Wanted" the child, so she should pay for the child "she wanted". The male didn't want the child, so why should he be forced to pay for the child he doesn't want?
If women don't want to pay for a child, they can be rid of the responsibility.
The female is paying for the child she wanted, while the male is paying for the child he didn't want. One is being forced, while the other one isn't.
There, I countered. Is that not a counter in your books...Why am I asking that? I plainly is, but it won't be in your mind set. -sigh-
It's not as simple as that. If it was as simple as that, if a rapist raped a woman, then she should keep the child, even if thewoman wants an abortion.
Another point is that a woman might want to have a child, the man doesn't want a child, but she allows herself to fall pregnant anyway.
One is willingly and happily putting themself inthe roleof parenthood, while the other is being forced. So tell me, how is that "fair"?
-Sigh- calling me stupid when I'm countering all your points doesn't say much about you.
Ahem. I said I wouldn't talk toa lawyer or judge about this. But I have already commented to you saying this three times. If you explain the situaion to alawyer or judge, telling them that someone wishes to spend more than two hours of their time with no financial benefit, and they say they will, then I will be more than happy. See, even when I say I will if the person suggesting it sets it up, you still try to pass it off as me saying I'll never do it. Such a moronic thing would only come from you.
I have no good counter points? Oh? Then how come you still haven't countered most ofmy normal points or any of my counter counts? Like I said, saying I have no point and proving I have no point are two different things.
You say my arrogance astounds you? I make no valid points?...-Sigh- Read this carefully. I'm not puting these in capitals as in I'm raging, it's more so you actually read it, and that it stands out.
IF I HAVE NO VALID POINTS, THEN PROVE I HAVE NOVALID POINTS. SIMPLY SAYING IT AND NOT BEINGABLE TO PROVE MY POINTS INVALID SHOWS DIFFERENTLY.
I have made point and counter points to everything you say, you can't counter the majority of them, which if they were wrong you would be able to do, and yet I'm the arrogant one?
Notice how nobody supports me? Really? What about the poll creator? He private messaged me saying that they agree with me completely, and that they agree with all the points made. This person is male, I have barely talked to them, and at some point I believe we has a debate that wasn't exactly on great terms. So no, not just my "Teenyboppers or jilted lovers" that I actually don't even have. So, let me see who tookyour side... Oh, PumpkinKate. Someone that from what I gather, doesn't even like me, and will take everyone else's side but mine.
So, I have someone that I barely talk to on my side, and someone I talk to onoccasions, and you have someone that always goes against what I say, despite if the majority agrees.
What I actually like, was that you were trying to make people that agree with me seem stupid, just so that you don't have to agree to the fact that I'm right, and that people are agreeing with what I say.
Like I keep saying. Sex doesn't mean parenthood anymore, sex is mostly for pleasure. By that logic, if a woman that got raped wants the rapist to take care of the child made by rape, then he should...Great logic, the irony of you calling me an idiot in that sentence.
Think a little? Ok. Let me come up with yet another easily counter point. Oh, I got it.
That's "her" beliefs. So a man should suffer because of "her" beliefs? What if the man is against abortion, that it's against his religion, and his partner does it anyway? What then? I guess that's ok, right?
Your whole logic is that if a woman choses not to want an abortion or put it up for adoption, then it's partly the man's fault for her keeping the child. No, if it's her belief, it's her responsibity if the male didn't want the child or share those beliefs.
Thought a little, made a counter point, now telling you to do the same. Think a little.
Just like all the other comments from you, I countered this one on every point you made, yet you are going to try convince yourself I haven't, even when you can't make a counter point.
Sad, it really is.
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"How's it not fair? Easily countered. The woman "Wanted" the child, so she should pay for the child "she wanted"."-ItDuz
Pardon, but the MAN and the WOMAN had sex. Pregnancy happens when people have sex.
Maybe the woman didn't want the child?? Huh?? BUT....what if she doesn't believe in abortion (which is a LOT of women!!). Then what?
Just don't have sex, avoid the whole problem. Or know your partner well enough to have confidence that you both can come to a reasonable decision. Hello?
YOu didn't counter ANY point, btw. You just repeat yourself and refuse to listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you.
Go talk to a lawyer, seriously. SERIOUSLY. He'll tell you how wrong you are.....but you don't want that, do you? You're afraid. It's OK, try to get over your fear and just do it.
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Yes, the man empregnated her, but she still had the means of getting rid of the responsibility. So if a man has sex, he can't get out of parenthood, but if a woman does, she is allowed several escapes from parenthood? Great equality there.
If she doesn't believe in abortion? Easy. Adoption. "What if she doesn't believe in adoption?" Then it's "her" responsibility to deal with the consequences of "her" beliefs. If her beliefs are what's making her keep the chilld, then it's responsibility to run by "her" beliefs. The man isn't to get his rights controlled by a woman because of her "beliefs". What's actually sickening is that that thought process is the same as terrorists. "The people that don't believe or go by these beliefs deserve to be punished due to them being wrong".
Just don't have sex. How many times does this have to be repeated. Sex is performed for pleasure more than reproduction. It is our natural instinct is to have sex. Wow, what? You're saying the reasonable decision part? You mean like having unprotected sex with people you know aren't good father material, yet decide to the keep the baby anyway?
I didn't counter any points? I've done nothing but counter each of your points. I just repeat myself? Yeah, I have been repeating myself half of the time, and why do you think that is? Because you are repeating yourself, avoiding the counter points I already made for the point you present.
-Sigh- Shut up, will you? I've said constantly that if you get in contact with a lawyer willing to communicate with me on the matter I'll do it, and you ignore that even though I'm saying it in every reply. Face it, you're scared. Patheticly scared. You know you won't phone up to arrange it because it's a stupid suggestion, regardless, I said I would still do it if you set it up.
Awww poor little Wigsplitz can't read? Can't handle the fact that she's being asked to get a lawyer to contact me, then still acts like I haven't asked her to set it up. Don't worry, you're patheticness shows on those merits alone.
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What if she doesn't believe in abortion, hmmm? Most women don't.
What if she doesn't know she's pregnant until it's too late? What if she hides the pregnancy?
YOU call a lawyer, it's YOUR issue, not mine. I already know what a lawyer would say. You don't. You're the one who needs to find out for yourself. It's your issue, YOU provide the research. That's how the world works. You have the burden of proof, not me. Lazy ass. Or scared. Or both.
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What if she doesn't believe in abortion? Then followed up by a sarcastic "Hmmm", then followed by my counter that was made with ease, let's watch.
What if she doesn't believe in abortion?....A-D-O-P-T-I-O-N. Did you get that? Adoption.
And even if it was the case of her not believing in it, that's "her" beliefs, not the man's. The man shouldn't be made to live due to "her" beliefs. That idea is disgusting, and I'll give an example of why.
If you went to an area where terrorism and violence is committed due to it being the "beliefs" that all non believers must suffer. Say a foreigner, an American went over to that location, say a reporter even, or something along those lines. They know of the majority of peoples beliefs in the area, and know that saying their religion is stupid etc resorts in death. Now say that person says to the otherperson accompanying them to that location, and said "I don't think their religion is correct", and since it is the majority of the populations belief that there religion and God is true, all non believers should be punished. Is it right that since the foreigners went to their location and said they don't act on the same beliefs as their religion, going against the terrorist's religion, that the terrorist gets to punnish the foreigner for going against "his" belief? The foreigners knew the price to saying such things, so do they deserve to be killed for nor believing in it? Ofcourse not, because it's the "terrorists" belief, not the foreginers, and it's wrong to make someone else suffer for not sharing the same beliefs, just like it's not fair that a man shouldn't be punished to have a child he doesn't want if it's the woman's belief that abortion is bad.
The example I made is extreme, and is in no way is abortion as bad as what such people do, but the example was that it's the type of mindset people like you believe in, and the type of mind set terrorists would have to support their point, that they didn't share the same beliefs, so they should be punished.
Most women don't? Look at the poll and comments, I think you'll find that the majority so far say otherwise.
What if she doesn't know until it's too late? Then that's her fault for not checking "her" body, but even after that, she can still put the child up for adoption, regardless of it being too late to abort. What if she hides the pregnancy? Now that has got to be the lowest and most pathetic point you made on that comment. If she hides it, then that's "her" fault. So a man should suffer because "she" hid the pregnancy? Yeah, another example. Imagine a family member of a murderer. The murderer's mother wants to hide the son's ways due to shame of her son being a killer. She hides information that will get him charged and locked away for the good of the public. Then later the man murders someone else. If that woman hadn't of hidden the information, that person would of still been alive. So hiding it for "her" reasons isn't at all a reasonable excuse when someone else is at risk of the woman hiding the information. Same thought process, different scenario/situation.
I made a statement, you turned it in to a debate, you suggested the lawyer thing, you should make it happen. Call the lawyer on behalf of "your" side, so that "you" know if you're right or not. You have no idea of what a lawyer would say, so don't say you do. If you did, then you would of stood abetter chance in this debate, but since I have countered all your points, to say you know what a lawyer would say, meaning you would be replying to me the counter points a lawyer would make, would mean I'm smarter than a lawyer for winning a debate against someone (you) that knows what a lawyer would say.
So no, you don't know what a lawyer would say, infact, anyone that thinks saying "Your points are retarded, which is why I didn't reply" is a good enough counter point with no explanation of why it's "retarded" couldn't possibly know what a lawyer would say, because believe it or not, laywers actually have skill in such things, where as you clearly don't.
I know I'm right, so you have to prove me wrong. So far I have all your points countered, I am winning, so that means I don't need to look for further proof if I am already winning, that means if you want to know what a lawyer would say, to prove me wrong, you have to look it up.
You know what a lawyer would say, and then you say that I'm arrogant. Pfft.
You lose, accept it.
YOU get in contact with a lawyer, why the hell should I? I already know what he's gonna say. It's YOUR argument YOU do the homework. I'm not doing YOUR work for you. You brought it up, YOU prove it.
In life, if you want to make a point, YOU gather the info. You don't make some claim and then never back it up with facts.
So, go find your facts. Bye.
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No. I made a statement, you dissagree with it, and you came to me to say I'm wrong. That means it's your responsibility to contact a lawyer if you have suggested it to further your point. Actually, wrong. You brought it up. You are saying they'll laugh at me due to tax payments going higher, and the tax payment part of this conversation was introduced by you, not me.
"Go find your facts. Bye"...Aren't you missing out the part about the actual discussion that was before the whole lawyer thing? Now you're avoiding the main points to talk about the lawyer thing. Just shows you can't prove me wrong.
This is what I'm talking about. You don't counter any of my points, then claim you've countered all of them, when you didn't even discuss what that comment was mainly about. -Sigh-
TALK TO A LAWYER before you post anymore of this dribble. Seriously. Go. You'll get schooled. And, note that MOST lawyers are MALE. You need to expand your views. YOu are NOT right, you make NO valid points, you sound like a joke. No country would allow tis to hapen.
YOUR taxes will go up to pay for ids that are unsupported. PERIOD. did I say PERIOD? so, you want males to dump their kids, yet you completely FAIL to understand that YOU (via increased taxes) will be paying for kids that aren't even yours.
The responsible party (mom,dad) should be paying. Not you, not me, not every other Tom, Dick and Harry. Idiot.
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Talk to a lawyer? Like I said, you set it up due to it being your idea, and I'll accept to talk to them if they accept to it. I've said this on every reply to you, and you choose to ignore it. So either be willing to make your suggestion happen, or don't suggest it.
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If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong. I have countered all of your points, you're just too arrogant to accept it.
I sound like a joke, even though I've gone through every part ofeach of your comments, and made counter points for each one. When you knopw you can't counter my points, you resort to petty insults, and the claim "You're wrong because I said so".
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Like I said, take the money away from the women that made the wrong choices so that the money can be given for males to make a choice at all. You avoid these points I make and made, just so you can think you have a point, even when my past points have already proved your current pointswrong, and I have to repeat myself.
And my taxes will go down if the money wasn't needed for child benefits. So, what's your point? If your point is taxes, then taken away child benefits will lessen them. But I know what your point is, it's not for the child, the taxpayers or the women, you are arguing so that males don't get as much choice as women, and it's that simple.
Keep the points coming, I will counter them each time.
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You haven't countered anything, you just keep repeating yourself over and over.
Why the hell should I set you up with a lawyer? YOU made the claim, YOU do the research. You've done NO research, NONE. Since YOU brought up the topic, YOU are obligated to find the evidence, duh.
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I repeat myself over and over. Funny, if I repeat myself over and over, how come each of my points are usually drasticly different sizes? Now you're going to hide behind the "you repeat yourself" act, just so you don't have to make any point at all. Pathetic.
I tell you what, though. I'll invite some users from chat, not all like me, to read over this if they are willing to, and we'll get some input there.
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I'm still waiting for your 'points'....haven't seen one yet besides what you 'think' is a point....that men should be able to financially abort a kid. That's it.
You provide NO facts, NO studies, no nothing.
You have NO clue how the family court system works, you've NEVER talked to a lawyer (or the like), never interviewed people who know about the subject.
So, get on it. Make some informed claims and the get back to me. Quit repeating the same ignorant crap over and over again and try to act smart. Get a clue, get informed. I DARE you, but I know you're too afraid because you say you refuse to do it. Grow a set of balls and do it.
Wrong. I brought up the topic, not to you, to the poll. You came to me, so you are obliged to make the effort to prove me wrong due to you coming to me to say I'm wrong.
Don't worry, I'm making a list of things you haven't correctly countered. Might take a while due to reading them all, but I'm sure you'll avoid it.
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First of all...shut up....talk to REAL people like lawyers, lawmakers, taxpayers, etc...and THEN come back. Serously. Or are you too afraid?
You just come on here, where most people don't pay taxes, don't make laws, have NO clue how the system works, are probably under 18 (or VERY young) and have NO clue.
Talk to some REAL people who actually work in such fields.
But you're too scared. I know, it's scary. But try it. Then come back with your findings. I doubt you will, too afraid of being proven completely wrong and looking like even more of a complete fool than you already are.
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AM I too afraid? Didn't you read the last part? You want me to talk to such people, and this debate with you has gone on for more than two hours. Do you really think any of those people are going to sit and take part of a two hour debate that gives them no financial profit? If you believe that they would, you should gather some new thoughts.
Like I said, I have no problem talking to them, and since you want it to happen, you can set it up. Contact a lawyer or judge etc, inform them of how long this debate has taken, then ask them to take part of it with no pay. If they agree to doing so, then I'll do it. By your same logic, if you say you're not going to, it's because you're "afraid to actually contact them".
Oh, so most people on here have no idea, do they? You do? Oh, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, oh great Wigsplitz, but I don't think you understand, you can put your self on a high horse, but don't expect anyone else to see you sitting on it. Infact, expect me to pull you off it, kind of like I am now.
I'm nineteen. I have "no clue" yet I am countering all your points. Must be irritating, trying to make someones input seem stupid when they're completely dominating the debate.
Like I said. You want me to do it, so I will if you set it up. I like how you avoid that bit, the bit where I ask you to make it happen due to you wanting it to happen. See, it's not the actual debate that makes me think I'll makle a fool of myself, it's expectiing such busy people to take part in a two hour plus debate that started online...
Need what I said repeated? Like you do most of the time? Ok.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Set it up for me since you want it to happen, and I'll talk to a lawyer or judge.
Something tells me you'll choose to ignore what I said here.
Anyway, on to countering your other points, if you can call them points. -Sigh-
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YOu set it up, it's YOUR fight. I already know the outcome. You're the one who needs to see it for yourself.
You always do this....you make claims, pandering to mostly teenagers who don't know anything about the law or family court, or anything like that. YOU set it up.....it's YOUR issue. You want to fight for it, you have the burden of proof.
If you can find a group of lawyers, judges and other informed individuals in this matter, then I will concede and deem you the king of the issue.
I'm not ignoring anything you say. I read it all, I get your 'point', OK? All I'm asking you for is some VALID, legal opinions on the matter. Otherwise it's just a bunch of shit. So, PROVE it's a good idea that should be considered. I'll be waiting.
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It's my fight? I never started it, you did. You replied to me, you came to me with the suggestion, so it is for you to make it happen.
I know you read all my points, it's making counter points you lack.
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No, it's listening skills YOU lack.
I read all your replies, which are nothing but repetition after repetition, taking NO consideration to what a few intelligent people have pointed things out to you.
You keep on making yourself look like a fool making these dumb arguements that will NEVER happen and sound ridiculous, that's on you. Many people on here are trying to help you see how dumb it all sounds.
I didn't start this, you did. Go back and see who made the first posts about this idiotic idea. It was you. And youu KEEP bringing it up. Get over it, it's a LOST CAUSE. You're just making yuorself look more and more ignorant.
But, hey, at least you won't have to worry about it because no woman would ever have sex with you if you actually act like this.