I don't think that your horse necessarily doesn't want to be ridden, he might even enjoy it, it's just that he can't consent to being ridden. So if he ever didn't want to be ridden, he wouldn't have a choice about it, he'd be forced to. I know that being ridden isn't a big deal, but it's the principle of being forced to do anything you don't want to do, it's slavery honestly. I know that sounds dramatic since the word 'slavery' conjures up images of whippings and literal back-breaking labour. But the basic definition of slavery is where someone is owned by another person and forced to do whatever that person says, whether they like it or not. So even if your horse is happy to be ridden, it's the principle that he has no choice but to be happy about it that vegans have a problem with.
It's like back when slavery existed, there were examples of some slaves being treated well and living happy lives, but the reality of their position would always hit home when they were asked to do something that they didn't want to do. They couldn't refuse. Even if it was just some trivial task, that would've been such a degrading thing to realise. All they could do was to try to feel less degraded by rationalising to themselves that it wasn't such a big deal really, it was only a small task and things could be much worse for them. In the end it might've hit them that their entire life's outlook was built on rationalising that things "weren't so bad really", just in order to avoid facing up to the bitter reality that they were still ultimately a slave.
Ehmm. I see what you're getting at, but like I said, I can emotionally feel when Balor doesn't want to be ridden. I can tell when something's off, when he doesn't feel well, is having a bad day etc.
I know him like the back of my hand.
And I don't really think slavery can be compared to equestrianism. If the horse is being treated in such a way, or the owner/rider doesn't understand the horse, isn't communicating with the horse, or is straight up nasty, that's where problems arise. Equestrianism and Horsemanship is a give and take sport and lifestyle, whereas slavery is all take.
Ok, I don't know too much about equestrianism tbh. Don't they hit horses with riding crops in equestrianism though? I can't see any way that could be seen as being part of a mutual respect relationship. Or is that just in horse racing? I definitely have a problem with the horse racing industry anyway. Any industry where animals can win money for people usually has a lot of animal abuse in it. They'll train the animal to the breaking point, pump them full of steroids, punish them for failing, anything to win that money.
No, that's okay! Riding crops are used in a lot of disciplines, it just depends on the equestrian. I've never used them, as I grew up with the new way of riding. There's a documentary you should watch, it's called Buck. the guy is like magic, and one of my favorite things he says is 'if you can ride with 90% mental, and 10% physical, you're better off.' I believe that wholeheartedley, and I try to do exactly that. He also says to operate on the same wavelength on a horse 'to operate on a feel'.
As far as horse racing goes, i'm convinced they're all evil people. Anyone who makes an animal run until it's legs break or it's heart bursts can crawl up and die a horrible death for all I care.
Nah I don't see how they could be. Even if they're not that painful (which I'm sure they are if they're used for BDSM stuff), it'd still be unpleasant for the horse. Using pain to get a horse to do what you want is anything but a loving respectful relationship in my eyes.
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I don't think that your horse necessarily doesn't want to be ridden, he might even enjoy it, it's just that he can't consent to being ridden. So if he ever didn't want to be ridden, he wouldn't have a choice about it, he'd be forced to. I know that being ridden isn't a big deal, but it's the principle of being forced to do anything you don't want to do, it's slavery honestly. I know that sounds dramatic since the word 'slavery' conjures up images of whippings and literal back-breaking labour. But the basic definition of slavery is where someone is owned by another person and forced to do whatever that person says, whether they like it or not. So even if your horse is happy to be ridden, it's the principle that he has no choice but to be happy about it that vegans have a problem with.
It's like back when slavery existed, there were examples of some slaves being treated well and living happy lives, but the reality of their position would always hit home when they were asked to do something that they didn't want to do. They couldn't refuse. Even if it was just some trivial task, that would've been such a degrading thing to realise. All they could do was to try to feel less degraded by rationalising to themselves that it wasn't such a big deal really, it was only a small task and things could be much worse for them. In the end it might've hit them that their entire life's outlook was built on rationalising that things "weren't so bad really", just in order to avoid facing up to the bitter reality that they were still ultimately a slave.
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Ehmm. I see what you're getting at, but like I said, I can emotionally feel when Balor doesn't want to be ridden. I can tell when something's off, when he doesn't feel well, is having a bad day etc.
I know him like the back of my hand.
And I don't really think slavery can be compared to equestrianism. If the horse is being treated in such a way, or the owner/rider doesn't understand the horse, isn't communicating with the horse, or is straight up nasty, that's where problems arise. Equestrianism and Horsemanship is a give and take sport and lifestyle, whereas slavery is all take.
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Ok, I don't know too much about equestrianism tbh. Don't they hit horses with riding crops in equestrianism though? I can't see any way that could be seen as being part of a mutual respect relationship. Or is that just in horse racing? I definitely have a problem with the horse racing industry anyway. Any industry where animals can win money for people usually has a lot of animal abuse in it. They'll train the animal to the breaking point, pump them full of steroids, punish them for failing, anything to win that money.
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No, that's okay! Riding crops are used in a lot of disciplines, it just depends on the equestrian. I've never used them, as I grew up with the new way of riding. There's a documentary you should watch, it's called Buck. the guy is like magic, and one of my favorite things he says is 'if you can ride with 90% mental, and 10% physical, you're better off.' I believe that wholeheartedley, and I try to do exactly that. He also says to operate on the same wavelength on a horse 'to operate on a feel'.
As far as horse racing goes, i'm convinced they're all evil people. Anyone who makes an animal run until it's legs break or it's heart bursts can crawl up and die a horrible death for all I care.
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Nah I don't see how they could be. Even if they're not that painful (which I'm sure they are if they're used for BDSM stuff), it'd still be unpleasant for the horse. Using pain to get a horse to do what you want is anything but a loving respectful relationship in my eyes.