Oh! It's great to see another equestrian on the site! What discipline do you do? I'm in cross country and hunt seat.
And yes, I've seen those internet trainers that try to devalue the experts to make themselves look better. Like Clinton Anderson for example. In one of his 'clinic videos' he beat the shit out of a horse.
The owners said it was agressive but I kept watching the poor thing and there wasn't one shot of aggression in him.
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As for the people that don't agree with bits; I can see where It can cause harm to a horse's mouth and face if you ride with heavy hands or if the nosepiece is too tight, but completely disregarding the use of bits and saying their abusive makes people sound, well, delusional. I ride Balor with a comanche coil (a neck rope) sometimes, and it's just as easy as riding him in a bit, but that's because I treat them differently.
Yes, it is great to see another equestrian on here indeed! I do the hunters, and the occasional trail ride (which I wish I could do regularly again)!
I've seen a few videos of his that rubbed me the wrong way as well. I don't like his attitude, either. The statement he released when a client's horse died on his property a few years ago and people were wanting to know details (which is normal for prospective clients, as who would want to send their horse to him if it was something that could've been easily avoided and not a freak accident?) was utterly unprofessional and turned me completely off of him, along with how he gets too carried away with his "corrections" and can be a bit of an aggressive rider IMO at times. Unfortunately, there are some that are even worse than him (but thankfully only "trainers" in the YouTube world out of their backyard and not ones anyone pays to train their horse or attend clinics with!). Both of the ones I still get recommendations for seem to have only really worked with their own horses for the most part, and their horses' ground manners and how they go under saddle say a lot about those people's abilities as trainers. It frightens me that they tell beginners not to wear helmets and give other dangerous advice (one recommends hard tying a horse who pulls back in a rope halter; very easy way to cause a horse to break its neck!).
I absolutely agree. The vast majority of bits are only as harsh as the rider's hands, and any sort of bitless bridle or other piece of tack can be harsh when misused as well. Ironically, the people who maintain that all bits are bad no matter what seem to be the ones with the harshest hands, whose horses' noses are always in the air while they yank on their bitless bridle/rope halter/whatever. They describe bits as "metal pain devices" and the like and maintain that a bit causes pain by just sitting in a horse's mouth, or that they're automatically harsher than any bitless setup because they're made of metal, despite the obvious that a hackamore with 10" shanks or one of those sidepulls/hacks with the twisted wire nosebands is going to be quite a bit harsher than a smooth mouth D-ring snaffle. To be honest, a lot of those people are completely naive to how tack even works, which is a big part of their problem with why they likely have issues with it, themselves.
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Oh! It's great to see another equestrian on the site! What discipline do you do? I'm in cross country and hunt seat.
And yes, I've seen those internet trainers that try to devalue the experts to make themselves look better. Like Clinton Anderson for example. In one of his 'clinic videos' he beat the shit out of a horse.
The owners said it was agressive but I kept watching the poor thing and there wasn't one shot of aggression in him.
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As for the people that don't agree with bits; I can see where It can cause harm to a horse's mouth and face if you ride with heavy hands or if the nosepiece is too tight, but completely disregarding the use of bits and saying their abusive makes people sound, well, delusional. I ride Balor with a comanche coil (a neck rope) sometimes, and it's just as easy as riding him in a bit, but that's because I treat them differently.
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Yes, it is great to see another equestrian on here indeed! I do the hunters, and the occasional trail ride (which I wish I could do regularly again)!
I've seen a few videos of his that rubbed me the wrong way as well. I don't like his attitude, either. The statement he released when a client's horse died on his property a few years ago and people were wanting to know details (which is normal for prospective clients, as who would want to send their horse to him if it was something that could've been easily avoided and not a freak accident?) was utterly unprofessional and turned me completely off of him, along with how he gets too carried away with his "corrections" and can be a bit of an aggressive rider IMO at times. Unfortunately, there are some that are even worse than him (but thankfully only "trainers" in the YouTube world out of their backyard and not ones anyone pays to train their horse or attend clinics with!). Both of the ones I still get recommendations for seem to have only really worked with their own horses for the most part, and their horses' ground manners and how they go under saddle say a lot about those people's abilities as trainers. It frightens me that they tell beginners not to wear helmets and give other dangerous advice (one recommends hard tying a horse who pulls back in a rope halter; very easy way to cause a horse to break its neck!).
I absolutely agree. The vast majority of bits are only as harsh as the rider's hands, and any sort of bitless bridle or other piece of tack can be harsh when misused as well. Ironically, the people who maintain that all bits are bad no matter what seem to be the ones with the harshest hands, whose horses' noses are always in the air while they yank on their bitless bridle/rope halter/whatever. They describe bits as "metal pain devices" and the like and maintain that a bit causes pain by just sitting in a horse's mouth, or that they're automatically harsher than any bitless setup because they're made of metal, despite the obvious that a hackamore with 10" shanks or one of those sidepulls/hacks with the twisted wire nosebands is going to be quite a bit harsher than a smooth mouth D-ring snaffle. To be honest, a lot of those people are completely naive to how tack even works, which is a big part of their problem with why they likely have issues with it, themselves.