I think most people against abortion are anthropomorphising the foetus too much and making their mind up based on emotions rather than with impassioned logic. It's not intelligent and it's not conscious. It's like killing a plant or an insect. Yet people imagine it to have sentient thoughts running through its brain just because it has a human face that they can empathise with. It's similar to the way in which people are more likely to consider a humanoid robot as more sentient than a supercomputer, just because the robot looks like them, where as the supercomputer is just some mundane machine. Where as in fact the supercomputer is a god compared to the humanoid robot.
I agree that some people anthropomorphize, however there really is no way to truly fully know the inner experience of an insect or anything really, other than ourselves, so there for you could never be absolutely sure. We are all trapped with our own “qualia” and nothing else. I’m not really advocating for either side of the abortion argument. Just saying.
Yeah I agree with that, but I think we can be confident enough in this case.
Also people who use that as an argument against abortion often also use it as an argument in support of killing animals, claiming that animals only seem to be intelligent and aware, but that it hasn't been proven. And it's not like the reason they want to kill animals is as important as why people get abortions, they want to kill the animals merely for tasty food. So if they use the argument in one case and ignore it in another, then that shows that they really don't believe in the argument.
Ok at what point does the fetus acquires the awareness where it would be unethical to kill it?
I'm against abortion on the basis of logic. Im pro choice I'm just anti abortion. 18 week cut off to when you can have an abortion. 18 weeks and you arent a clump of cells floating in the ether.
Well I'd say the point that a foetus acquires awareness is just when it's born, at which point it's not a foetus anymore anyway. It might be able to respond to certain stimuli in the womb, but plants can respond to stimuli too. That doesn't mean they're conscious.
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I think most people against abortion are anthropomorphising the foetus too much and making their mind up based on emotions rather than with impassioned logic. It's not intelligent and it's not conscious. It's like killing a plant or an insect. Yet people imagine it to have sentient thoughts running through its brain just because it has a human face that they can empathise with. It's similar to the way in which people are more likely to consider a humanoid robot as more sentient than a supercomputer, just because the robot looks like them, where as the supercomputer is just some mundane machine. Where as in fact the supercomputer is a god compared to the humanoid robot.
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I agree that some people anthropomorphize, however there really is no way to truly fully know the inner experience of an insect or anything really, other than ourselves, so there for you could never be absolutely sure. We are all trapped with our own “qualia” and nothing else. I’m not really advocating for either side of the abortion argument. Just saying.
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Yeah I agree with that, but I think we can be confident enough in this case.
Also people who use that as an argument against abortion often also use it as an argument in support of killing animals, claiming that animals only seem to be intelligent and aware, but that it hasn't been proven. And it's not like the reason they want to kill animals is as important as why people get abortions, they want to kill the animals merely for tasty food. So if they use the argument in one case and ignore it in another, then that shows that they really don't believe in the argument.
Ok at what point does the fetus acquires the awareness where it would be unethical to kill it?
I'm against abortion on the basis of logic. Im pro choice I'm just anti abortion. 18 week cut off to when you can have an abortion. 18 weeks and you arent a clump of cells floating in the ether.
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Well I'd say the point that a foetus acquires awareness is just when it's born, at which point it's not a foetus anymore anyway. It might be able to respond to certain stimuli in the womb, but plants can respond to stimuli too. That doesn't mean they're conscious.